Content Duplication Bug

[mark1210]

I'm sorry, about this I was mad I lost lots of data and it look I cannot even buck up those page If I try to past the html codes one of the two multi language are coming out totally white ... Yes maybe wpml is a solution but I was reading "The bad" (No matter how much we try, this import process is not going to be 100% automated. Unless you’re running a very simple blog, with just posts, tags and categories, something is not going to be included in this migration and you’ll have to transfer that data manually) I'll follow you all in here and cross the fingers ... thanks to everyone to contribute ....

[ThE cRaCkEr]

Open-source and free of charge is not equivalent to lousy support. If an author decides to share his code with the world, he should feel obligated to maintain it. Otherwise don't share it - or at least publish it as "work in progress - only for hackers". But Qian Qin even offers Premium Services (as I understand this post) and last visited this support forum at 4th of February! Now many sites are broken and he is unable (because of skills and time as it seems) to fix it. With that bad support one should not trick people into downloading this plugin (over 400.000 times according to wordpress) and later watch carelessly how their business website is broken.

This is a common problem with open-source software: Authors think because it's free of charge they don't have to care. This is why there is so many buggy, unmaintained or bad documented software out in the open. Just don't publish it, when you are not able to maintain it (think for one moment what happens when the linux kernel had this bad support infrastructure).

I cannot even see a warning message neither at his homepage not at the WP plugin site that this plugin is broken and may (or may not) break your site.

Follow my lead and write him an email (<mail@qianqin.de>) that he should at least look at his own support forum!

[eviotto]

And for those in a hurry, here's a pastebin of my working qtranslate_wphacks.php

I used the patch made by PowerKiki and integrated in the file by Kokarn, thanks a lot!

Now it's almost fixed. I am still encountering the problem that if I publish a page while being in the English view mode, the French version is not saved, but that happens sporadically. I am going to test it some more to try to see what xactly causes the loss of one version.

[kivig]

And for those in a hurry, here's a pastebin of my working qtranslate_wphacks.php

I used the patch made by PowerKiki and integrated in the file by Kokarn, thanks a lot!

Now it's almost fixed. I am still encountering the problem that if I publish a page while being in the English view mode, the French version is not saved, but that happens sporadically. I am going to test it some more to try to see what xactly causes the loss of one version.

If you switch between html/visual and back before saving. that might address the problem. At least for me it seeems no changes are saved in html mode, but everything is fine if I change mode before saving.

[kivig]

Open-source and free of charge is not equivalent to lousy support. If an author decides to share his code with the world, he should feel obligated to maintain it. Otherwise don't share it - or at least publish it as "work in progress - only for hackers". But Qian Qin even offers Premium Services (as I understand this post) and last visited this support forum at 4th of February! Now many sites are broken and he is unable (because of skills and time as it seems) to fix it. With that bad support one should not trick people into downloading this plugin (over 400.000 times according to wordpress) and later watch carelessly how their business website is broken.

This is a common problem with open-source software: Authors think because it's free of charge they don't have to care. This is why there is so many buggy, unmaintained or bad documented software out in the open. Just don't publish it, when you are not able to maintain it (think for one moment what happens when the linux kernel had this bad support infrastructure).

I cannot even see a warning message neither at his homepage not at the WP plugin site that this plugin is broken and may (or may not) break your site.

Follow my lead and write him an email (<mail@qianqin.de>) that he should at least look at his own support forum!

If there'd be any obligation of support, I bet many programmers wouldn't bother publishing their soft which would be a bad thing. It's better to have something than nothing.
Also I don't really see much incommon between private and organization projects. It is logical to expect an organization not to vanish unexpectedly as being an organization implies that as a part of it's purpose. There's nothing logical about feeling obligated if you're giving something that is yours for free. You wouldn't have to maintain a bicycle gifted to someone, would you? Or adapt it to new traffic rules in this case?

[Kokarn]

And for those in a hurry, here's a pastebin of my working qtranslate_wphacks.php

I used the patch made by PowerKiki and integrated in the file by Kokarn, thanks a lot!

Now it's almost fixed. I am still encountering the problem that if I publish a page while being in the English view mode, the French version is not saved, but that happens sporadically. I am going to test it some more to try to see what xactly causes the loss of one version.

If you switch between html/visual and back before saving. that might address the problem. At least for me it seeems no changes are saved in html mode, but everything is fine if I change mode before saving.

I have almost the same problem right now.
It's just reversed, if i save from the HTML editor it doesn't save changes and fails to load the editor buttons on the next page load.

[ThE cRaCkEr]

You wouldn't have to maintain a bicycle gifted to someone, would you? Or adapt it to new traffic rules in this case?

That's not a good analogy. How about this one: If you convince someone that he should let you install linux instead of Windows because it suits his needs better, would you leave alone him with his first problems with the new OS or help him?

The reason why your analogy lacks logic: No one expects from you to take care for his bicycle. This is different with software especially in productive enviroments. And if there is even a "support forum", I except support. That's just natural.

I acutally developed a database program for a 5 men NGO free of charge and feel obligated to support it. If I would quit my support now, the NGO would suffer. So I know what I'm talking about.

It's better to have something than nothing.

To go back to your analogy: So you rather would get a bike which you think is safe to use and later notice (while driving downhill) that the breaks are not working? No, I would rather have no bike and walk, that's saver.
And that's what qTranslate is: A bike with broken brakes and we are all driving downhill - faster and faster - thanks to Qian Qin who didn't show up for 10 days at this forum (and he knew about this bug before). And our problem is: We are driving downhill but we cannot just jump from the bike because it moves to fast. Or can we just disable qTranslate on our blogs? No, we can't, it would take days to edit the database to make it compatible with other alternatives. Thanks Qian Qin for giving me this bike!

[kivig]

To go back to your analogy: So you rather would get a bike which you think is safe to use and later notice (while driving downhill) that the breaks are not working? No, I would rather have no bike and walk, that's saver.
And that's what qTranslate is: A bike with broken brakes and we are all driving downhill - faster and faster - thanks to Qian Qin who didn't show up for 10 days at this forum (and he knew about this bug before). And our problem is: We are driving downhill but we cannot just jump from the bike because it moves to fast. Or can we just disable qTranslate on our blogs? No, we can't, it would take days to edit the database to make it compatible with other alternatives. Thanks Qian Qin for giving me this bike!

My analogy isn't perfect, but logic is there - the bike itself is ok it's the environment that is rebuilt. I see it as it's my fault for not checking if the combination works before going too far away from backup. There's always a warning in wordpress that things might go woods after the upgrade. The plugin itself was working perfectly before that.

[ThE cRaCkEr]

My analogy isn't perfect, but logic is there - the bike itself is ok it's the environment that is rebuilt. I see it as it's my fault for not checking if the combination works before going too far away from backup. There's always a warning in wordpress that things might go woods after the upgrade. The plugin itself was working perfectly before that.

I'm aware of that. Qian warns that one should wait upgrading WP until he finished his changes. I waited 1 month until upgrade and checked (like always) in this table if qTranslate will be compatible.
Back to the analogy (I like it): So Qian gave me a bike, said "You can also drive down a hill, all will be fine." (see table), actually it isn't (see this forum) and you say that the hill ("the environment") is the reason I will break my neck? No, it's the person who promises that it would work downhill.
But I give you partially right. We are all responsible for our own servers, maintaining backups, etc. But in practice, it's a mix of the author's and the user's responsibility. Both act in good faith. I do my backups, report bugs, try to solve my problems alone before asking him about it, taking his upgrade notes (see above) into account and he tries to publish something which does my least harm. But Qian could act much better. In my opinion he neglected his half of responsibility.

[side777]

if you upgrade wordpress in a production environment without checking for broken plugins, sorry: it's your fault. to get back to acting constructive:

does anybody still experience issues with the patched version??